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		<title>Onconversations XXXIII</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 15:29:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[(On a bench in Central Park on a beautiful May day.) OLD FRIEND:  You look tired. ME: You know, I&#8217;ve always thought that that is one of the worst things you can say to someone. FRIEND: I meant to be sympathetic. ME: All it does is make a vain person like me feel bad. FRIEND: [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(On a bench in Central Park on a beautiful May day.)</p>
<p>OLD FRIEND:  You look tired.<br />
ME: You know, I&#8217;ve always thought that that is one of the worst things you can say to someone.<br />
FRIEND: I meant to be sympathetic.<br />
ME: All it does is make a vain person like me feel bad.<br />
FRIEND: You&#8217;ve always been too sensitive.<br />
ME: I have not!<br />
FRIEND: See what I mean?<br />
ME: Where do I look tired?<br />
FRIEND: Under your eyes, and you also look pale.<br />
ME: Great.<br />
FRIEND: It&#8217;s because I care.<br />
ME: Sure.<br />
FRIEND: How was your lunch with ____________?<br />
ME: Extremely interesting. We talked a lot about his father [a famous man, deceased].<br />
FRIEND: And?<br />
ME: And what?<br />
FRIEND: Don&#8217;t fuck with me. And what did he say?<br />
ME: He said his father, and I quote, &#8220;dug himself into a hole with his mistress and couldn&#8217;t get out.&#8221;<br />
FRIEND: By all accounts she was a harridan.<br />
ME: Yes. But I said to ________, &#8220;He<em> could</em> have gotten out, you know.&#8221; And ________ said, &#8220;What do you mean?&#8221; And I said, &#8220;Well, he could have gotten out&#8212;that&#8217;s all. If you aren&#8217;t an actual slave or tied up or something, you can get out.&#8221;<br />
FRIEND: Aha!<br />
ME: Aha what?<br />
FRIEND: Aha, you have just shown me that despite all your fancy positions against free will, you actually believe in it.<br />
ME: I showed you no such-a thing.<br />
FRIEND: Yes you did. You said he could have gotten out.<br />
ME: What I meant was&#8211;<br />
FRIEND: Oh no you don&#8217;t! You said he could have gotten out, which means you think he could have made a decision to get out but chose not to.<br />
ME: Look, I talk like everyone does on this social&#8211;<br />
FRIEND: You believe in free will&#8211;it&#8217;s clear to me and you can&#8217;t wriggle away from it this time.<br />
ME: Let me finish. I talk like everyone else on this social level&#8211;she could have not dyed her hair purple, he could have married Susie instead of Sally, my boss could have chosen to let me offer more for Atul Gawande&#8217;s first book.<br />
FRIEND: Yeah&#8211;what happened there, anyway?<br />
ME: I&#8217;ll tell you later. My point is that like everyone else, in ordinary conversation I talk the way people talk, as if people have real choices about what they do, agency independent of their physical brain&#8217;s neurological functioning. But I don&#8217;t actually believe it. We just use it as a model. I don&#8217;t actually believe that _________&#8217;s father could have gotten out of that hole. He stayed in it because that&#8217;s just the way he was. It was his brain that kept making his consciousness so-called &#8220;choose&#8221; to stay in the hole. In fact, I think that&#8217;s exactly what _______ and I were talking about: his father&#8217;s not being able to choose to get out of the hole.<br />
FRIEND:  Oh, wriggle wriggle.<br />
ME: OK, then&#8211;I <em>choose</em> to return to the subject of my looking tired.<br />
FRIEND: What about it?<br />
ME: Well, if you must know, I had a terrible night last night.<br />
FRIEND: I&#8217;m sorry&#8211;what happened?<br />
ME: I had this weird chest pain.<br />
FRIND: And did you call the doctor this morning? You should have.<br />
ME: No. I did freak out a little, I admit. When you have cancer you sort of automatically become a hypochondriac and also a rationalizer at the same time.<br />
FRIEND: You have no choice.<br />
ME: Get off it, OK?  I didn&#8217;t call the doctor, because it just didn&#8217;t feel like anything cardiac.<br />
FRIEND:  Call the doctor.<br />
ME: No, I really don&#8217;t think I have to. I think I figured it out.<br />
FRIEND: _______<br />
ME: So at first I was sure it was angina&#8211;my father had it.<br />
FRIEND: What did it feel like?<br />
ME: Just to the left of my sternum, this little bud of warm pain would blossom every four or five minutes and then sort of evaporate. It wasn&#8217;t severe but it kept me awake.<br />
FRIEND: Call the doctor.<br />
ME: So I got up and Googled angina and learned all about stable angina and unstable angina and so on. With stable angina, it says the patient can predict when it will occur. So at first I thought, Oh, well, I can predict this because it seemed to be coming and going regularly.<br />
FRIEND: What time was this?<br />
ME: It started at 2:30.<br />
FRIEND: You got up and looked at your computer at 2:30? By the way, stable angina sounds like an equine disease, like dogs with kennel cough.<br />
ME: Very funny. This is serious, So just to make sure, I went back and lay down and timed the pain buds&#8211;sure enough, every four to five minutes. So then I went back to the computer and looked more and found put that by &#8220;predictable&#8221; they meant that patients could predict like, well, after a stressful event or too much exercise, they knew they would have an angina attack.  They <em>didn&#8217;t </em>mean that it would occur at regular time intervals.<br />
FRIEND: Well, of course not. Moron.<br />
ME: What did you say?<br />
FRIEND: Oh, nothing.<br />
ME: You said &#8220;moron.&#8221;<br />
FRIEND: No, I didn&#8217;t.<br />
ME: Yes, you did. Anyway, so now I was really getting scared that I would have a heart attack. Now, you know I have gotten through all my cancer treatments without much in the way of hypochondria. Just simple, justifiable dread.<br />
FRIEND:  You&#8217;ve handled this whole thing very well.<br />
ME: Thanks.  But at this point, anyway, cancer actually came to my rescue.<br />
FRIEND: Tell me.<br />
ME: I realized that what I was experiencing was chest-wall pain. Which is a famous side effect of the the fancy radiation therapy I finished in the winter.<br />
FRIEND: But that was months ago.<br />
ME: That&#8217;s the fiendish thing about some radiation side effects&#8211;they can happen six months, a year later. And chest-wall pain and rib fracture can be among the most delayed. So I decided that&#8217;s what this was, took an Advil, and finally went back to sleep. But I was up from about 2:30 to 5 in the morning.<br />
FRIEND: This is all to explain why you look tired?<br />
ME: Exactly!<br />
FRIEND: Very convincing.<br />
ME: I&#8217;m sure that&#8217;s what it was.<br />
FRIEND: Call the doctor.<br />
ME: With Gawande&#8217;s first book, by the way&#8211;it was a collection of his pieces from <em>The New Yorker</em>, and my boss just had this reflexive reaction that collections of already-published pieces were a bad publishing bet. So I couldn&#8217;t match another publisher&#8217;s offer.</p>
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		<title>Onconversations XXXII</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2012 19:51:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Menaker</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[(Since I started these Onconversations, about a year ago&#8211;with the recurrence of malignant nodules in what remained of my left lung after a lobectomy in 2008 for a 2.5 cm. adenocarcinoma&#8211;this site has gotten as many as a hundred and as few as zero clicks a day, according to Google Analytics.  Even a hundred is [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Since I started these Onconversations, about a year ago&#8211;with the recurrence of malignant nodules in what remained of my left lung after a lobectomy in 2008 for a 2.5 cm. adenocarcinoma&#8211;this site has gotten as many as a hundred and as few as zero clicks a day, according to Google Analytics.  Even a hundred is nanochicken-feed, I realize, so those of you who do stop by here for a few minutes every now and then, thank you, and please share the destination with others who might find it interesting or amusing and maybe even worthwhile. It&#8217;s by no means just a matter of raising Google-search numbers and seeing if there&#8217;s enough traction here to consider a book project for myself. Though it is partly those things, I confess.  It&#8217;s also a matter of being in touch with and creating a community of cancer patients, physicians, and those close to them who have some philosophy about and perspective on the illness&#8211;something beyond the usual [though useful and helpful] medical sites, professional and patient-generated. I&#8217;ve found that every instance of others&#8217; intelligence, insight, humor, and candor about cancer has proved to be tonic in itself&#8211;and, paradoxically and most important, has proven antidotal to obsessing about it.</p>
<p>Small as the site&#8217;s visitor numbers may be, you-all have landed here from just about everywhere&#8211;Japan, Ukraine, Bangladesh, Finland, Brazil, Singapore, Croatia, India, Argentina, Canada, Germany, Malaysia, Norway, Pakistan, Mexico, Belgium, Brazil, Georgia, England, Papua-New Guinea, France, Colombia, Greece. Not Italy yet, as I recall. What&#8217;s up with that?  This is thrilling to me, not just out of self-regard but because it gives evidence of what kind of potential good&#8211;or at least pleasure and interest&#8211;a global globe can provide, even about cancer.</p>
<p>Anyway, I meet a friend and fellow-patient on the street very near my apartment. He has on a black jacket and his left arm is close to his side, his left hand in his pocket.)</p>
<p>ME: So, I take it you&#8217;ve had the surgery. (It was, as I recall, surgery for a recurrent tumor that would paralyze his arm.)<br />
FRIEND: Yes. (He nods toward the arm). It&#8217;s now just decorative, I&#8217;m afraid.<br />
ME:  You can&#8217;t use it at all?<br />
FRIEND: Nope. Useless.<br />
ME: Well, I&#8217;m sorry. But on the other hand&#8211;<br />
FRIEND: Watch it!&#8211;<br />
ME: It wasn&#8217;t deliberate, I swear. On the other hand, you&#8217;re well now.<br />
FRIEND: From your lips to God&#8217;s evidently pretty deaf ear.<br />
ME: You look well, anyway.<br />
FRIEND: Thanks, but that&#8217;s about one-twentieth the battle, don&#8217;t you think?<br />
ME: It depends on how vain you are, I guess.<br />
FRIEND: And you?<br />
ME: Finished radiation treatments&#8211;very fancy and futuristic&#8211;three months ago, and the last CT scan was encouraging.<br />
FRIEND: Oh, yes&#8211;encouraging.<br />
ME:  No, really! But I have another scan in July which will be more telling.<br />
FRIEND: Good luck with that.<br />
ME: What are you doing around here, anyway?<br />
FRIEND: I&#8217;m taking part in a wall-to-wall Gertrude Stein thing at Symphony Space.<br />
ME: A fellow-cancer patient.<br />
FRIEND: Yes. Not so encouraging.<br />
ME: You know, you are just too quick. You do two-upsmanship better than anyone else I know.<br />
FRIEND: Well, you can find anything you want in Gertrude Stein to bolster whatever you are trying to bolster. In our situation, my favorite would be &#8220;Considering how dangerous everything is, nothing is really very frightening.&#8221;<br />
ME: Excellent. I&#8217;ll keep it in mind as July approaches.<br />
FRIEND: Are you going out to the Southampton conference this summer?<br />
ME: Yes, but I&#8217;m not sure what I&#8217;ll be doing.<br />
FRIEND: In our situation, getting there will be almost all the fun.</p>
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		<title>Onconversations XXXI</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2012 13:27:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Menaker</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[(I talk to my main oncologist on the phone, after my radiation treatments are over and after he and I have exchanged emails about the follow-up CT scan three months later. [See ONCONVERSATIONS XXX]) ME: So I potentially have this job offer coming my way. Can you imagine&#8211;at seventy, cancerous, mildly diabetic, with no thyroid [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(I talk to my main oncologist on the phone, after my radiation treatments are over and after he and I have exchanged emails about the follow-up CT scan three months later. [See <a href="http://danielmenaker.com/blog/2012/04/onconversations-xxx/" target="_self">ONCONVERSATIONS XXX</a>])</p>
<p>ME: So I potentially have this job offer coming my way. Can you imagine&#8211;at seventy, cancerous, mildly diabetic, with no thyroid function. But I don&#8217;t know what to do about this, because of my lung situation. I&#8217;d like to renovate the big barn behind our house in the country, or at least shore it up. So the money would be nice.<br />
DR: Just do what you want to do.  The last time we wrote, you were saying something about an investment decision. Is this the same thing?<br />
ME: No&#8211;this is something different. One had to do with maybe selling a stock that had done well and this one has to do with a possible job offer. But they both raise the question of How Long.<br />
DR:  We can&#8217;t know, but in my opinion, long, unless something else gets you first.<br />
ME: Well, you still haven&#8217;t answered my earlier question about similar cases: recurrent small malignant lung nodules, same lung, isolated, indolent, no evidence of mets.<br />
DR: &#8220;Mets,&#8221; eh? You&#8217;re learning the slang.<br />
ME:  All these abbreviations&#8211;you have to have them because so many of the words and phrases are so long.  Chemo, IV, SBRT, QOL, dexy&#8211;<br />
DR: &#8220;Dexy&#8221;? That&#8217;s dexadrine. You didn&#8217;t have dexadrine.<br />
ME: Well, I thought I had made that one up. It was supposed to be for &#8220;dexamethasone&#8221;&#8211;that steroid I took when I was on chemo. I mean chemotherapy.  But back to the outcomes in cases like mine, please&#8211;people in more or less my situation who have chosen stereotactic body radiation therapy over surgery.<br />
DR: I can think of a few comparable cases. One guy, a CEO, is walking around happily seven years after being treated.  Another person, a woman, is four years out.<br />
ME: Are you repressing less favorable results?<br />
DR: Probably.<br />
ME: Oh, great. You don&#8217;t know? Or are you <em>sup</em>pressing<br />
DR:  In the last year alone, we&#8217;ve found new ways of treating your condition, if it gets worse.<br />
ME:  Good! What?<br />
DR: Some of my patients tell me, &#8220;All you have to do is keep me alive for a few more years and you&#8217;ll find something new to work with.&#8221; And sometimes they&#8217;re right.<br />
ME: Great! But, you were saying &#8220;in the last year alone&#8221;?<br />
DR:  Yes&#8211;remember we found that you have this mutation&#8211;EGFR&#8211;but it didn&#8217;t seem susceptible to Tarceva, the targeted therapy for some lung cancers. It didn&#8217;t have the right structure?<br />
ME: How could I forget? That was the low point, I think. Although it&#8217;s the abbreviation that gave me my most impressive medical terminology&#8211;epithelial growth factor receptor.<br />
DR:  Excellent! Well, there are further findings that suggest strongly that Tarceva is applicable in your case. Which would be a very good thing if and when we have to do more.<br />
ME: Well, that&#8217;s extremely encouraging.<br />
DR: Yes. I really am encouraged, as I said in my emails.<br />
ME: Why didn&#8217;t you tell me about this Tarceva news earlier?<br />
DR: There was no point&#8211;you were having SBRT.<br />
ME: So you kept it on the QT.<br />
DR: Very funny.  So I say, take the job, if it&#8217;s offered, and hold on to the stock, whatever it is.</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2012 13:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Menaker</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[(The following is a slightly redacted email exchange between me and my thoracic oncologist.) ME: As I wait for the results of the follow-up CT scan I just had (which Dr. _______ [the oncology radiologist] says will likely show not much change, but I&#8217;m not counting on that in any direction&#8211;same, better, or worse), I [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(The following is a slightly redacted email exchange between me and my thoracic oncologist.)</p>
<p>ME: As I wait for the results of the follow-up CT scan I just had (which Dr. _______ [the oncology radiologist] says will likely show not much change, but I&#8217;m not counting on that in any direction&#8211;same, better, or worse), I wonder if I could make an appointment with you, or have a phone call, about a couple of questions I have which are sort of vague and maybe even loopy, and probably repetitive. One (not so loopy), for example, is:  If and when there is further need for treatment, whether without knowing more about these lesions&#8211;the more that you might have known if I&#8217;d had surgery&#8211;there are targeted therapies that you might consider using more blindly on the basis of what you do know, from the biopsies. Or would that be dumb? Also, have you treated patients like me, with recurrent small, relatively indolent multiple same-lung nodules who are in pretty good shape, around my age, who have had SBRT, and if so, what have been the outcomes? Yes, I am thinking again about Time Left, especially in view of some recent financial good fortune. Not Scrooge McDuck scale but nice enough.</p>
<p>I hope that you yourself are well, and I&#8217;m sure that one way or another, at one point or another, we&#8217;ll be talking again.</p>
<p>DR: Happy to discuss these questions.  Could talk on the phone Monday or Tuesday next week or see you in clinic next week on Wednesday.  If Scrooge McDuck has an “investment” decision that needs to be made sooner, I’m happy to try to find time sooner.</p>
<p>DR: [Later that day] I just looked at your CT scan.  It looks good.  From the report:  &#8220;Nodules in the left lower lobe are stable to minimally decreased.&#8221;  There are some changes which we can attribute to the radiation: &#8220;New adjacent focal subpleural ground glass opacity in the left lower lobe&#8221; and a &#8220;small loculated pleural effusion.&#8221; Altogether, it shows nothing of concern to me and some encouraging findings. Enjoy the weekend.</p>
<p>ME: Thanks very much for getting this information to me. I take it that the loculated pleural effusion is what remains of the earlier one&#8211;it showed up during the SBRT treatment but (clearly) wasn&#8217;t  serious enough to preclude the treatment, after the major portion of it was aspirated by Dr. _______. Also, Dr. _________ said that this partic. CT scan would probably not show much change but the next one might&#8211;one hopes in the direction of shrinkage or even obliteration. The next one is six months from now&#8211;is that correct.<br />
These nodules seem really obdurate. Are they made of Kryptonite, or what?</p>
<p>DR: This exactly what we would expect to see if everything had gone perfectly.  There is no right answer on when the next scan is.  I&#8217;d say confirm with ________ when you see him&#8211;4 or 6 months would be reasonable.</p>
<p><em>(Despite the tricky grammar of that first sentence, I am of course very pleased to hear this news. Also pleased to learn this elegant new word&#8211;&#8221;loculated.&#8221;) </em></p>
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		<title>Onconversations XXIX</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2012 23:00:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[(A spectacular spring day in a Riverside Park dog run, a cindery expanse where dogs are allowed off the leash and often stand around or sit around or lie around rather than run. Their owners stand around or sit around on benches and talk on their cell phones or talk to each other, almost always [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(A spectacular spring day in a Riverside Park dog run, a cindery expanse where dogs are allowed off the leash and often stand around or sit around or lie around rather than run. Their owners stand around or sit around on benches and talk on their cell phones or talk to each other, almost always about dogs&#8211;a conversation both as limited and infinitely variable as the sonnet form. Example:</p>
<p>OWNER 1: What is she&#8211;some kind of hound, I think. Right?<br />
OWNER 2: She&#8217;s some kind of mix&#8211;probably beagle and chow, with a touch of spaniel.<br />
OWNER 1: Very pretty!<br />
OWNER 2: Thanks. Don&#8217;t you think it&#8217;s funny when owners say thank you for a compliment  to their dogs?<br />
OWNER 1: Well, they can&#8217;t.<br />
OWNER 2: Who can&#8217;t?<br />
OWNER 1: The dogs can&#8217;t say thank you. Somebody has to say it, I guess.<br />
OWNER 2: Right- -Daisy, no chewing!<br />
OWNER 1: They like that loose skin, like jowls, for instance.  I can&#8217;t let Maxwell play with any dog that has jowls or any kind of folds.<br />
OWNER 2: Which one is Maxwell?<br />
OWNER 1: He&#8217;s over there. That Jack Russell is trying to hump him.<br />
(The Jack Russell&#8217;s owner, heard in the distance, shouts, &#8220;Angus, now you know better than that. He&#8217;s not interested.&#8221;)<br />
OWNER 2: Hilarious!<br />
OWNER 1:  So Daisy is a rescue?<br />
OWNER 2: Yes.  From Arkansas. They bring them up in a van.<br />
OWNER 1: There are a lot of rescues from Arkansas and the Carolinas and so on. I wonder why.<br />
OWNER 2: I don&#8217;t know. Maybe more dogs are abandoned in the South, or something.  Maxwell is&#8211;what? A wheaten?<br />
OWNER 1:  A Tibetan. A Tibetan terrier.<br />
OWNER 2: He&#8217;s beautiful.<br />
OWNER 1: Well, um&#8211;thanks! Ha ha. (Just a little defensively): You know we had a rescue before&#8211;Pepper.  When our kids were little.<br />
OWNER 2: Hey&#8211;far be it from me to judge.<br />
OWNER 1: You know, Tibetan terriers aren&#8217;t terriers.<br />
OWNER 2: Really?<br />
OWNER 1: No, it seems like when the British were pillaging Tibet or whatever they were doing there, they saw this temple dog and one of them probably said something like, &#8220;Nigel, look here: this dog looks rather like a terrier, don&#8217;t you think? I say, let&#8217;s call him a Tibetan terrier!&#8221; And Nigel said, &#8220;Jolly good, Freddy!&#8221; But they&#8217;re not genetically terriers. More related to Lhasas and Shih-tzus.<br />
OWNER 2: Temple dog?<br />
OWNER 1: Yes, they lead the monks to prayer, supposedly. But you know, you can&#8217;t sell or buy these dogs in Tibet. You have to give them or receive them as a present. They&#8217;re sacred dogs. He&#8217;s sacred to me because he doesn&#8217;t shed.<br />
OWNER 2: Daisy sheds like crazy. She like leaves a wake in the early summer.</p>
<p>Etc.  So I&#8217;m in the dog run and run into a friend there whose wife has had a liver transplant because of liver cancer, or so I recall):</p>
<p>FRIEND:  Didn&#8217;t you have a CT scan recently?<br />
ME: Today, in fact. Just this morning.<br />
FRIEND: How did it go?<br />
ME: Fine. The technician was very cheerful. Of course he didn&#8217;t tell me anything.<br />
FRIEND: They never do.<br />
ME: They&#8217;re like cheerful Sphinxes. They probably know more than some of the doctors do. I just can&#8217;t figure out why the radiologist won&#8217;t call me later today or maybe tomorrow. I have to wait until Monday to have my appointment with him.<br />
FRIEND:  Well, you know ______ [the wife] has gone through this. Georgie, why don&#8217;t you play with Maxwell? They do everything by committee. I think it may have something to do with liability.<br />
ME: Maxie&#8211;go ahead and play with George. What liability?<br />
FRIEND: Well, they probably want to consult with their colleagues and make sure that they do everything as carefully as possible. With ______ so many people contributed to her current well-being&#8211;they all want to be super careful. Also, you know, if the scan is ambiguous or something&#8230;.<br />
ME: Well, he said there would probably be not much change. It has been three months since the last radiation treatment. Uh-oh, here comes this black dog with four white feet. He&#8217;s a puppy. Maxwell loves to play with him. I want to go back to &#8220;not much change.&#8221; I think there must be no more forests left standing in the world.<br />
FRIEND: What?<br />
ME: I have been knocking so violently on so much wood, and it would be a good thing if there was not much change, nothing new, so I have to knock wood again right now.<br />
FRIEND: (Laughs) Why not much change?<br />
ME (leaning over to push Maxwell into contact with the black white-footed puppy): Evidently&#8211;that&#8217;s it, Maxie! Play with that dog. Wear yourself out&#8211;it takes a while for the vacuum cleaner to come through and clean up after the radiation mess, or something like that. Like months. The CT scan next October will be more significant. Unless, of course, some monstrous thing like from &#8220;Alien&#8221; has suddenly started growing in there during the last three months. (Puppy, on her back, squeals.) Maxwell, do not chew on that dog&#8217;s neck. Like he really understands.<br />
FRIEND: Well, let me know.<br />
ME: I will. How is _______ doing?<br />
FRIEND:  She started interferon-triple-cocktail. She has to take it once a week. And she has to go over to 70th and York every day<br />
ME: Every day?<br />
FRIEND: For a blood test. Yes, there is this one-hour window three times a day during which she has to take this new drug which is experimental in post-transplant patients. And with it, she has to eat something with twenty ounces of fat. Three times a day!<br />
ME: Mmmmm! That&#8217;s not so bad. What&#8217;s she using?<br />
FRIEND: Haagen-Dazs.<br />
ME: Yum.<br />
FRIEND: She doesn&#8217;t have to go over there for the interferon. She gives herself her own injection.<br />
ME: Hey, Maxie&#8211;don&#8217;t be so rough. He&#8217;s being rough. Maxwell, come here. I said come here. Do you want a treat? (Maxwell comes over.) I&#8217;m putting you on the leash. Why didn&#8217;t you play with George here? (I push him once again toward George, who growls ominously.) Never mind. I guess it&#8217;s time to go.  So remind me when ______&#8217;s cancer was diagnosed?<br />
FRIEND: Oh, it wasn&#8217;t liver cancer. Come on, George&#8211;I guess we&#8217;ll go too.<br />
ME: Really?<br />
FRIEND: Nope&#8211;Hep C! I guess she did have cancer by the end, but I don&#8217;t like to say she had it, because I&#8217;d rather she didn&#8217;t. But she&#8217;ll say she had cancer.<br />
ME: Eh?<br />
FRIEND: Well, she actually did. When you&#8217;re in the end stage of Hep C, your liver has got much wrong with it that it has everything, and cancer was a part of that. It also moved her up the transplant list.<br />
ME: But she&#8217;s feeling all right now?<br />
FRIEND: Yes.  But the side effects of interferon are cumulative, and she has to take it for a year!<br />
ME: That&#8217;s tough. I can&#8217;t imagine.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2012 16:26:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[(My therapist/friend has prescribed Provigil for me. It&#8217;s a drug that is often used for narcolepsy and shift work&#8211;that is, basically, night-shift work&#8211;but also sometimes used for other situations where attention might flag or wander. Like, for most writers, writing, especially when they&#8217;re dealing with a medical issue like cancer, which according to the therapist/friend, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(My therapist/friend has prescribed Provigil for me. It&#8217;s a drug that is often used for narcolepsy and shift work&#8211;that is, basically, night-shift work&#8211;but also sometimes used for other situations where attention might flag or wander. Like, for most writers, writing, especially when they&#8217;re dealing with a medical issue like cancer, which according to the therapist/friend, often makes it hard for patients to finish projects. I take the prescription to the pharmacy. A day or so later I go to pick it up.)</p>
<p>ME (to practically somnolent clerk): I&#8217;ve come to pick up a prescription.<br />
CLERK: Name?<br />
ME: Menaker. Oh nine, seventeen, nineteen-forty-one.<br />
CLERK:  date of&#8211;Oh. Right. Date of birth. You just said, OK. First name?<br />
ME: Robert.<br />
CLERK (after peering for quite a while at her computer screen, as if trying to see the future):  What&#8217;s the prescription?<br />
ME: Provigil.<br />
CLERK (after banter with fellow-clerk about taking a break): What&#8217;s the prescription?<br />
ME: Provigil.<br />
CLERK (peering at screen for a another minute or two): Here it is.<br />
ME: Good. Is it ready to be picked up?<br />
CLERK (peering at screen):  I&#8217;m not sure. There may be a problem here.<br />
ME: Well, can you tell me what the problem is?<br />
CLERK:  I&#8217;m not sure. Let me just &#8230; (peers at screen for an eon)<br />
ME:  Well, what is the problem?<br />
CLERK:  I&#8217;m not sure. (Turns around and says to pharmacist, protected by a chest-high bunker-like barrier) Jim&#8211;Mr. (peers back at screen) Mr. Menaker is here to pick up a prescription for Provigil. Was there something&#8211;<br />
PHARMACIST (very nice guy): Oh, yeah. Well, his insurance doesn&#8217;t cover it.  Your insurance doesn&#8217;t cover it.<br />
ME: Why not?<br />
PHARMACIST: It has to be prescribed specifically for a diagnosis of narcolepsy.<br />
ME: I&#8217;m getting really sleepy.<br />
PHARMACIST (smiling): Or sometimes for night-shift workers. but the diagnosis has to be stated.<br />
ME: Nothing about writer&#8217;s block, huh?<br />
PHARMACIST: Nope.<br />
ME:  Well, can I just pay for it myself?<br />
PHARMACIST: You can but for this prescription it would be &#8230; let me see (peers into his own computer) &#8230; uh, like four hundred dollars.<br />
ME:  Well, OK&#8211;that woke me up.<br />
PHARMACIST:  So do you want to do that?<br />
ME: I thought there was a generic substitute on the market.<br />
PHARMACIST: They said something about it but it must not be out yet. They said something about March.<br />
ME: It&#8217;s March.<br />
PHARMACIST: How about that! Well, yeah, I mean, I really would know if there was something else available.<br />
ME: OK, well, I think I&#8217;ll just talk to the doctor again.</p>
<p>(Later the same day, in conversation with the doctor, I tell her what the pharmacist told me)</p>
<p>THERAPIST/FRIEND: I thought there was a generic available.<br />
ME: Evidently not.<br />
T/F: Well, let me look into it.<br />
ME: OK.<br />
T/F : You know what you can do&#8211;if you want to pay for it yourself, just buy, like, five pills and see if it works to help with your writing.<br />
ME: You can do that?<br />
T/F: Yes&#8211;you can choose to fill only part of a prescription. You didn&#8217;t know that?<br />
M: Not to be rude, but how would I know that?<br />
T/F: I thought you must know it after all the pharmaceuticals you&#8217;ve been using over the past year during chemotherapy and radiation.<br />
ME: Nope&#8211;I just give them my prescription and they fill it and the insurance pays for it, except for the hundreds and hundreds of dollars they don&#8217;t pay for, of course.<br />
T/F: Yeah&#8211;isn&#8217;t that something!? The doughnut hole (the vernacular for the point at which Medicare and supplemental insurance largely stop reimbursing patients for prescription expenses until the total out-of-pocket costs for a year reach a very high level, like $4000, at which point, the ominously named Catastrophic Coverage kicks in at something like 90%.  An achievement both to look forward to and hope never to attain).<br />
ME:  Well, what about Nuvigil?<br />
T/F: Been poking around online again?  Just try the Provigil. Start by buying a few pills, and see how it works.<br />
ME: OK.</p>
<p>Me (back at the pharmacy and growing weary, the next day, after explaining the situation to the somnolent clerk and now talking to the nice pharmacist): So can I just buy five pills?<br />
PHARMACIST: You can, but even that is going to be expensive&#8211;like more than a hundred dollars.<br />
ME: Let&#8217;s just go ahead.<br />
PHARMACIST: You know, if you buy five pills, you will blow the whole prescription.<br />
ME: What do you mean?<br />
PHARMACIST: You won&#8217;t be able to fill the rest of it.<br />
ME: That seems very strange.<br />
PHARMACIST: I know&#8211;right? Weird! But that&#8217;s the way it is.<br />
ME:  Let me think. Wait.  This prescription is good for an indefinite period, right?<br />
PHARMACIST: I think it&#8217;s a controlled substance.<br />
ME: Meaning?<br />
PHARMACIST: Well, it would be good for only a month. Let me look&#8230;.. (the peering, again)   Yes, it&#8217;s a controlled substance, so it&#8217;s only good for a month.<br />
ME: You know, I brought this in some time ago.<br />
PHARMACIST:  Yeah&#8211;let me look &#8230; (more peering)  You brought it in thirty-three days ago. It&#8217;s expired! (He seems amused, in an acceptable, human-comedy-like way.)<br />
ME: But wait. Oh, no. I&#8217;ll have to (fluttering my eyelids) &#8230; I&#8217;ll nnnnn (drooping my head) &#8230; you know nnzz (I lean to one side, as if about to fall) &#8230; zzzzz<br />
PHARMACIST: Tell you what. Go back to your doctor, have a conversation with her, and do that right in the middle, and then maybe she will prescribe for narcolepsy.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2012 22:33:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[(Having completed full courses of chemotherapy and radiation treatments for small mailgnant nodules in my left lung&#8211;the whole process took about eight months altogether&#8211;I&#8217;m having trouble concentrating on a book I&#8217;m supposed to be writing. I talk about this problem to  a therapist/friend.) ME: I&#8217;ve written forty-two thousand words out of about sixty thousand altogether, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Having completed full courses of chemotherapy and radiation treatments for small mailgnant nodules in my left lung&#8211;the whole process took about eight months altogether&#8211;I&#8217;m having trouble concentrating on a book I&#8217;m supposed to be writing. I talk about this problem to  a therapist/friend.)</p>
<p>ME: I&#8217;ve written forty-two thousand words out of about sixty thousand altogether, but can&#8217;t seem to put my mind back on it. I don&#8217;t know why. Other than the fact that my publisher and editor have real reservations about the structure.<br />
TF: What is it again?<br />
ME: What is what&#8211;the book?<br />
TF: Yes, the book.<br />
ME:  A memoir. Do you want to know the title?<br />
TF: Do I have a choice? (laughs)<br />
ME: &#8220;My Mistake.&#8221;<br />
TF: (laughs) A terrific title.<br />
ME: Thanks.<br />
TF: And you&#8217;re having trouble concentrating?<br />
ME: I just don&#8217;t seem to care about it enough. I think it&#8217;s pretty good, but the idea of reorganizing and finishing it is really daunting.<br />
TF: This isn&#8217;t an unusual problem in your situation.<br />
ME: What do you mean, my situation?<br />
TF: Cancer patients very often have a hard time finishing things that they consider important and that they want to finish. It&#8217;s pretty typical.<br />
ME: Really?<br />
TF: Yes. It&#8217;s a kind of unconscious belief that if they do finish something, it will be like&#8211; well, finishing their lives.<br />
ME: Hmm. That makes immediate sense to me, but it never occurred to me.<br />
TF: That&#8217;s the thing about the unconscious, isn&#8217;t it? The definition. In fact, you could say it&#8217;s the purpose&#8211;not to occur to us.  And also, on the other hand, if patients don&#8217;t finish whatever it is, they may unconsciously believe that that will keep them alive&#8211;to finish it.<br />
ME: Well, it&#8217;s killing me.<br />
TF: (laughs) There&#8217;s something you can take that might help you.<br />
ME: Really?<br />
TF: It&#8217;s a drug for narcolepsy&#8211;Provigil. Some people use it to sharpen their attention.<br />
ME: Sounds good to me. More drugs, I say.<br />
TF: Let me think about this a little.  You know, there are therapists and psychiatrists who specialize in talking to cancer patients.<br />
ME: What a depressing specialty. Like I&#8217;ve never understood why someone would want to be a pediatric oncologist.<br />
TF: I don&#8217;t know. The therapists I know who do this find it pretty rewarding.  You wouldn&#8217;t want to talk to one of them, would you?<br />
ME: I don&#8217;t think so. First of all, I can talk to you. Second, I&#8217;m not really sick and haven&#8217;t been, except for the side effects of the treatments, and third, I think I&#8217;m petty well aware of the reality here and my responses to it.<br />
TF: Except maybe why you couldn&#8217;t finish your memoir. For example.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2012 15:44:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[(After twenty minutes or so in the lounge-like waiting room, with its odd mixture of mainly sad denizens, I&#8217;m called in to see the young radiologist who has overseen the radiation treatments for the malignant nodules in my left lung.  He is smiling er, radiantly and shakes my hand with energy.) RADIOLOGIST: Congratulations! ME: I [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(After twenty minutes or so in the lounge-like waiting room, with its odd mixture of mainly sad denizens, I&#8217;m called in to see the young radiologist who has overseen the radiation treatments for the malignant nodules in my left lung.  He is smiling er, radiantly and shakes my hand with energy.)</p>
<p>RADIOLOGIST: Congratulations!<br />
ME: I get more congratulations? Thanks.<br />
RADIOLOGIST: Well, after some hitches at the start, you made it through successfully.<br />
ME: It really isn&#8217;t that difficult.<br />
RADIOLOGIST: Some patients have real issues. So tell me&#8211;any fatigue in the last three or four weeks?<br />
ME: Yes, a little&#8211;a few days when I felt really tired, took two or three naps.<br />
RADIOLOGIST:  Wow! That&#8217;s a lot.<br />
ME: But it didn&#8217;t last long.<br />
RADIOLOGIST: Shortness of breath?<br />
ME: No.<br />
RADIOLOGIST: Chest pain?<br />
ME: No.<br />
RADIOLOGIST: Cough?<br />
ME: No.<br />
RADIOLOGIST : No productive cough?<br />
ME: Yuck. No.<br />
RADIOLOGIST: Good. Rash?<br />
ME: Only that dermatitis that you said wasn&#8217;t from the treatments.<br />
RADIOLOGIST: Oh, right. You mean you had that again?<br />
ME: Yes, it started again just after the second round of radiation ended.<br />
RADIOLOGIST: Well, they aren&#8217;t related.<br />
ME: How can you be sure, he asks again.<br />
RADIOLOGIST: Because the skin problem you get from this procedure looks different&#8211;it&#8217;s like a sunburn, not splotchy.<br />
ME: I don&#8217;t know. It seems so strange to me that I would get the same unrelated symptom shortly after ending each of the two rounds of treatment.<br />
RADIOLOGIST: Well, they&#8217;re not related.<br />
ME: Could they be indirectly related? Like a symptom that was the result of another side effect?<br />
RADIOLOGIST: What?<br />
ME: I&#8217;m sorry&#8211;never mind. Over-engaged. What happens now?<br />
RADIOLOGIST: You come back for a CT scan in a couple of months&#8211;at the beginning of April.<br />
ME: And what will we see?<br />
RADIOLOGIST: There won&#8217;t be much change in the scan, probably.<br />
ME: Really?<br />
RADIOLOGIST: It takes time for the nodules to be reduced and, hopefully, disappear. The more telling scan will be six months after that, which would be&#8230;<br />
ME: Four and six is ten, which is October.<br />
RADIOLOGIST:  What?<br />
ME: April is the fourth month so six months after that is the tenth month, which is October.<br />
RADIOLOGIST: Right&#8211;October.<br />
ME: So why do a scan three months after the treatment?<br />
RADIOLOGIST: Well, we may be able to see some change and we can check the whole thorax.<br />
ME (shuddering): You mean, to see if &#8230; if&#8211;well, you know.<br />
RADIOLOGIST (smiling): Right. To see if. Just as you said.<br />
ME: Well, are there statistics?<br />
RADIOLOGIST (with a faint note of triumph): I can tell you this&#8211;there is a ninety-per-cent-chance that there will be no recurrence at the sites we&#8217;ve treated.<br />
ME (grateful that he didn&#8217;t say &#8220;There&#8217;s a ten-per-cent chance of recurrence at the sites we&#8217;ve treated&#8221; or even &#8220;only a ten-per-cent chance&#8221;): Well, good. So what do I do in the meantime&#8211;I mean, any other appointments?<br />
RADIOLOGIST: Well, you might want to check in with Dr. ________  (My main guy&#8211;the thoracic oncologist)<br />
ME: But what would be the point?<br />
RADIOLOGIST: Well, really, there is none, unless you develop some new symptom.<br />
ME: So maybe I&#8217;ll just let sleeping thoracic oncologists lie.<br />
RADIOLOGIST: Probably just as well. For now (he leans forward and talks like funny tyrant) you are mine!</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2012 14:45:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[(After completion of two courses of radiation, I go to see the radiologist, for a routine follow-up appointment. He does this with all his patients four to six weeks after their treatments are over, he has told me&#8211;assuming, I assume, that they are still with us, ambulatory: follow-upable.  But before I go in to see [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(After completion of two courses of radiation, I go to see the radiologist, for a routine follow-up appointment. He does this with all his patients four to six weeks after their treatments are over, he has told me&#8211;assuming, I assume, that they are still with us, ambulatory: follow-upable.  But before I go in to see him, I wait for fifteen or twenty minutes in an inner waiting room, more comfortably appointed than the outer one, where people are scheduled for treatment and don&#8217;t have a doctor&#8217;s appointment. Where I wait is like business class.  In it today, besides me,  are a young Ukrainian woman and another, older one who is probably her mother&#8211;which one has cancer?&#8211;a very portly, red-faced man with a woman who appears to be his wife, and the Thin Man, whom I had met before in the men&#8217;s changing room. This time he is wheeling a portable oxygen tank, like this&#8211;<a href="http://bit.ly/xm4ACL" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/xm4ACL</a> &#8211;but silver in color. A clear tube goes from the tank up to his face, where it forms a circle, called a cannula, with two hollow prongs to deliver oxygen into the nostrils.)</p>
<p>THIN MAN: (waves to portly man and his wife): Hi.  (to the other two women): How are things in the Ukraine?<br />
YOUNG UKRAINIAN WOMAN: OK.<br />
PORTLY: Hey&#8211;how you doin&#8217;?<br />
THIN: Well, just take a look.<br />
PORTLY:  You look good anyway.<br />
THIN: I need this thing because I walk two blocks and I get winded. But what are you going to do, you know?<br />
PORTLY: That&#8217;s too bad.<br />
THIN: Two blocks! You know that that means? New York is all divided into sections of twenty blocks each, if you think of it that way. Because twenty blocks is a mile. Uptown and downtown blocks. Crosstown blocks are about two blocks. That&#8217;s what I can walk.<br />
PORTLY:  You mean, without the oxygen, right?<br />
THIN: Yeah. And do the math and it means I can&#8217;t walk a tenth of a mile without getting winded.<br />
PORTLY: Well, hang in there.<br />
THIN: Yeah.<br />
PORTLY (to wife): I&#8217;m going to call _______ and see if we can&#8217;t get you on regular Medicare disability instead of going through all this HMO business&#8211;they keep telling us that they won&#8217;t process the claims for us here. (Takes out cell phone)<br />
WIFE: No, don&#8217;t. I don&#8217;t want to change anything. Don&#8217;t. Stop!<br />
PORTLY: Nah, we&#8217;ve gotta do this.<br />
WIFE: No&#8211;<br />
PORTLY (talks on the phone, explaining situation, refers to woman as his wife) So yeah, just let me ask her. (Asks his wife for some ID number)<br />
WIFE (loudly): No&#8211;stop. Don&#8217;t change anything. I don&#8217;t want to give out any information.<br />
PORTLY: We have to do this.<br />
WIFE:  (much more quietly gives out some numbers)<br />
PORTLY: What&#8217;s the address again?<br />
WIFE:  You know&#8211;it&#8217;s a shelter. I don&#8217;t know the address.<br />
ME (to myself): They&#8217;re married but she&#8217;s in a shelter.<br />
PORTLY: What&#8217;s the name of the place?<br />
WIFE (becoming more upset): I don&#8217;t know. I don&#8217;t know.<br />
PORTLY (into phone): OK&#8211;listen, I have to call you back.<br />
WIFE (begins to cry.)<br />
THIN MAN: Hey, it&#8217;s OK. You&#8217;re in the best place in the world for this.<br />
PORTLY: We have some troubles, is all.<br />
THIN: If they can&#8217;t take care of you here, then&#8230;you know&#8230;<br />
ME (to myself): Yes, we all know.<br />
PORTLY:  She&#8217;s just upset.<br />
THIN: Right. I guess we all are.<br />
PORTLY:  See, this is her last radiation appointment, and she gets a double treatment today.<br />
THIN: Oh, you don&#8217;t need to worry about that. It&#8217;s Monday.<br />
PORTLY: What does that have to do with anything?<br />
THIN: They never fry anyone on Monday. Didn&#8217;t you know that?<br />
ME (out loud): What day do they do the frying, then?<br />
THIN: Tuesdays! Don&#8217;t ever come in for a treatment on Tuesday! You&#8217;ll come out all crispy.<br />
ME: But tender.<br />
THIN: Nah. Dry as hay.<br />
PORTLY (To wife, who has stopped crying and is smiling): See&#8211;I told you you&#8217;d be OK. It&#8217;s Monday.<br />
ME (to Thin Man): What about Wednesday?<br />
THIN: You don&#8217;t want to know.<br />
(A nurse comes in to escort the Thin Man. He gets up slowly and walks away with her, wheeling his cart, waving goodbye.)<br />
PORTLY (quietly, to Ukrainian mother and daughter waiting for treatment and to me): That man is a billionaire, you know.<br />
ME: Really?<br />
PORTLY: Yeah&#8211;some kind of investment scheme. He told us about it once. Didn&#8217;t you see how he was dressed? Expensive.<br />
ME: I didn&#8217;t notice.<br />
PORTLY: Yeah&#8211;very, very rich. I guess it just goes to show you, huh? I&#8217;m just sayin&#8217;.<br />
ME: Right.</p>
<p>(A very heavy, gray old man comes out of the examination-room area, escorted by another nurse. He has on gray pants, a red plaid shirt, and suspenders stretched out over his girth. I think, At least he isn&#8217;t wasting away. But he looks so tired. The older and younger Ukrainian women get up to help him. So neither of them has cancer&#8211;it&#8217;s the old man.)</p>
<p>OLD MAN: [Something in what I take to be Ukrainian.]<br />
YOUNG WOMAN:  OK&#8211;we&#8217;ll take you home now. Just let me put your jacket on.<br />
OLD MAN (sighs, sits down): [the same thing, in Ukrainian. I take it to mean "I'm so tired."]</p>
<p>(When I get home, I Google &#8220;Ukrainian phrases&#8221; but at least on a cursory look, I can&#8217;t find &#8220;I&#8217;m tired.&#8221; I&#8217;m distracted from my search, and hugely cheered, when I find a site that gives some other standard sentences and responses but that ends with:</p>
<p>My hovercraft is full of eels<br />
Моє судно на повітряній подушці наповнене вуграми<br />
(Moje sudno na povitrianij podušci napovnene vuhrami)</p>
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		<title>Onconversations XXVI</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[(I go for a full checkup to my regular internist&#8211;the guy who almost a year ago told me he would be much more scared than I seemed to be about a recurrence of cancer. I think that the three or four oncologists in my life are not paying enough attention to the Whole Man, and [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(I go for a full checkup to my regular internist&#8211;the guy who almost a year ago told me he would be much more scared than I seemed to be about a recurrence of cancer. I think that the three or four oncologists in my life are not paying enough attention to the Whole Man, and also that without another doctor&#8217;s appointment for an entire month, I feel lost.)</p>
<p>DOCTOR: You&#8217;re doing very well, Dan. We can just hope that the radiation has done its work, but there&#8217;s certainly no sign of this illness anywhere else. We&#8217;ll wait for the blood tests, of course. Now, do you want a PSA test? You&#8217;ll like this: it&#8217;s almost a philosophical question.<br />
ME: I&#8217;ve read about it.<br />
DOCTOR: So you know the issues.<br />
ME: Yes&#8211;I read somewhere that a lot of doctors rate the test&#8217;s advisability as &#8220;D.&#8221;  As in &#8220;Don&#8217;t do it.&#8221;<br />
DOCTOR: That&#8217;s right&#8211;and you understand why?<br />
ME: Yes.<br />
DOCTOR:  So it&#8217;s your choice.<br />
ME: The curse of early detection and the disasters it can lead to!<br />
DOCTOR: Right, but in your case, well, you do have cancer, so that might be a reason to ask for the test.<br />
ME: I don&#8217;t get that logic. Because if someone does have early stage prostate cancer it still may be better not to treat it at all.<br />
DOCTOR: It&#8217;s complicated.<br />
ME: If you were me&#8211;but you know, still you but in my position; that&#8217;s what I mean; I mean, not really me me&#8211;what would you do?<br />
DOCTOR: I sort of understood what you meant right off the bat. Well, I was going to say that because you have cancer already it might be a good idea to have the test, but if I really were in your position, I don&#8217;t know&#8230;.<br />
ME: I&#8217;ll skip it.<br />
DOCTOR: OK.<br />
ME: If all your tests come out OK, would you certify my health for a freighter cruise?<br />
DOCTOR: What?<br />
ME:  To go for a cruise on a lot of freighters, if you&#8217;re over seventy, you have to have a doctor&#8217;s letter saying you&#8217;re healthy enough.<br />
DOCTOR: Why do you want to go on a freighter?<br />
ME: I want to have nothing to do but think and write for a week or two or three.  Also, we get our material in the strangest places.<br />
DOCTOR: Writers?<br />
ME: Yeah.<br />
DOCTOR: Like doctors&#8217; offices.<br />
ME: Yeah. But that&#8217;s not very strange. I figure people who are at sea all the time are different.<br />
DOCTOR: Are you going to use this?<br />
ME: What?<br />
DOCTOR: This conversation?<br />
ME: Well, as of just now,  I don&#8217;t think I have much choice.<br />
DOCTOR (laughs): Do you get seasick?<br />
ME: I don&#8217;t think so.  Never have. I don&#8217;t think you have to certify anything about that.<br />
DOCTOR:  You know, you can buy a kind of helicopter insurance, so that if you have to be treated, they fly in and take you away.<br />
ME: I didn&#8217;t know that. I didn&#8217;t know that travel insurance ever covered that.<br />
DOCTOR: It does.  I know someone who used it. It costs like three or four hundred dollars and can save you a fifty-thousand-dollar charge. Or even more.<br />
ME:  Sounds worth it.<br />
DOCTOR: Sometimes you have to pay more if you have certain pre-existing conditions.<br />
ME: There&#8217;s no end to it, these days, is there?<br />
DOCTOR: No, the days are over when you could just get onboard the Beagle and sail to South America and change the world forever.</p>
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